Varied reactions to the Emergent-S3K gathering
Joe Kennedy has a comprehensive round-up of Christian bloggers' reactions to the Emergent-S3K gathering.
In most cases, the comments on the posts show an evolution in the reactions. I am struck by the concerns with boundary maintenance and by some people's (overly?) quick assumptions about the faith commitments (or lack thereof) of the Emergent leadership. And there is little or no speculation on the motives or faith commitments of Synagogue 3000's representatives.
Timmy summarizes some of the key questions. Adam Cleaveland's post features some apparently Jewish comments. Sadly, there is at least one instance of anti-Judaism that seems to me to blur into antisemitism, apparently posted by the same Timmy whose summary questions are so well put. [UPDATE 12/12/05: in the comments section of his own blogpost, Timmy reflects on his approach. We still disagree, I think, but I appreciate his willingness to listen to me and others.]
xphiles is broadly supportive though rightly warns that "for either group to neglect that which makes it distinctive from the other would be unfaithful to themselves, each other, and the God who called both Israel and the Church into being." On that point, as I've written privately to a couple of people, it may be worth mentioning that this is not a "lets-get-together-and-hug" interfaith dialogue. I would not describe this meeting as a particularly fruitful opportunity for evangelism (by anyone), but neither should there be any expectation that anyone at the table compromise on his or her religious integrity.
Both Doug Pagitt and Tony Jones, two of my counterparts at Emergent, have jumped into the fray as well, defending the meeting. Doug observes,
It is interesting to see how off of reading a press release, not knowing any of the people involved from the Synagogue group that you would assume that 'they cannot be part of the things of Jesus'. It just seems that this conversation would be benefitted by a gracious spirit ...that wants to join with those who are working toward the things of God’s agenda in and for the world and not go through this word-play parsing of what part of the kingdom of God people are in.Tony writes,
We’re simply meeting with a couple dozen rabbis who are trying to rethink American Judaism and synagogue life along many of the same lines that we are rethinking American Christianity and church life. We’re going to meet, talk, eat, hang out, and get to know one another. We’re going to talk about God, about how to plant a church/synagogue, about our lives and families and finances. We’ll probably pray together.That's all true, except that there probably is some disagreement about what it means to be "part of the things of Jesus" (who after all, was a Jewish rabbi, a liberal Pharisee, and thus in many ways a forerunner of the authors of the Talmud), and it probably is more accurate to say that many of us will be present for one another's prayers. In our inter/trans/postdenominational Jewish group we have rabbis with a variety of opinions about whether it is permitted to pray with someone of a different faith, not to mention taking part in the prayer service of a different faith. Doug and Tony don't know this yet, but we are planning some joint text study (imagine rabbis and pastors studying Isaiah or Jeremiah, the Prophetic readings (for Ashkenaz and Sefarad, respectively) of the week we meet). The point clearly will not be to arrive at some ultimate shared understanding of the text (impossible normally and clearly inappropriate here) but to tease out multiple meanings and learn about one another by learning how one another reads & interprets.
For what it's worth to critics, supporters, and the simply curious alike, Synagogue 3000 will be making audio & video clips of the gathering available on a soon-to-be much expanded website after the meeting. There will be plenty of evidence to document the fidelity (or lack thereof) of any given Christian or Jewish leader to whatever position one might wish him or her to attack or defend. No doubt there will be a number of people saying, "I told you so"; I'm just not predicting who! (Check back in late January / early February for that.)





11 Comments:
Shawn,
Let me just say that I do not appreciate you dubbing my comments as anti-semitic. If what you are talking about is the quotes I made, they were the words of Jesus. If you have a problem with that, take that up with him. I have made no such comments.
I'm really excited about this and wish something like this would have happened decades, centuries, perhaps millinea ago...
Timmy does not appreciate my interpretation. Let me explain it:
Timmy writes, "However, Jesus Himself had much to say about the Jews." Actually, that's not true. Jesus had a great deal to say to those Jews who opposed him John 8 describes a disputation between Jesus and specific scribes and Pharisees.
As for Timmy's context-free reading of Acts 2:36, it's Tridentine Catholic and Gibsonesque in its starkness. What happened to Jesus "cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today," as some intelligent Christians wrote about 40 years ago.
Shawn,
It is not that I do not appreciate your interpretation nor is it that I take Jesus' comments out of context. You are correct in saying that Jesus' words were addresed to Pharisees, but in the larger context, the Jews rejected Jesus. Lest why would the Scripture say,
"He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him." (John 1:11)
There were, as the Scriptures tell us, some Jews who did receive Jesus as their Messiah; however, as a whole, Jews did not receive him. To the Jews, Jesus and his claims of deity was blasphemous and worthy of crucifixion. Though he was/is the King of the Jews, yea King of Kings, the Jews would have no king but Caesar.
If the Jews then and Jews today reject Jesus as Messiah and King, then they are enemies of God. "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life" (1 John 5:11). This is not anti-Semitic. This is biblical. Call that unintelligent if you wish, but I choose not to filter the Bible with my presuppositions.
The charge in Acts 2:36 is explicit. Let all the "house of Israel know . . ." - do you mean that this is not a reference to Jews?
Finally, let me say that all of us as sinner are worthy of the charge. We all are deserving of death. God has no favorites - neither Jew nor Gentile, neither male nor female, neither bond or free . . . All of us approach the throne of God undeservedly and only through the merits of Jesus Christ and his righeousness. I, for one, am acutely aware that, apart from receiving God' free grace and matchless mercy in His Son Jesus Christ, I would be justly condemned and punished to an eternal hell for rejecting his Son.
Since this is my blog, and I am Jewish, let me say that I do not appreciate being described - in my "home" - as an enemy of God. Furthermore, there are significant inaccuracies in your assertions. I have no wish to censor you so I will not delete your post, but I don't see any reason to pursue this conversation further since we are operating in completely different paradigms.
Shawn,
Perhaps I have no business butting in, but I feel the need to apologize for the anti-Semitic remarks of my fellow Christian, especially as you say, at your "home," though words like that are never appropriate. I am curious, which "intelligent Christians" of forty years ago wrote what you quoted in your earlier comment. I would like to read more.
I am excited about the S3K/Emergent interaction and look forward to hearing, reading, seeing more about it, as well as perhaps participating in it in the future. Thanks for your great work in the forefront of this important meeting.
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Tim, thanks for your thoughtfulness. Here's the link to the original statement - 40 years old this year - to which I referred: Nostra Aetate. I know that unfortunate schisms in the church as a whole sometimes make it hard for Protestants and Catholics to listen to one another, but this really is worth the effort to readi and consider.
Fascinating stuff -- thanks for rounding up these various reactions. I wish I could attend; this sounds like the kind of conversation I would find completely fascinating and would probably really enjoy.
Shawn, thanks for the link. I hope I was clear that my questions were simply questions, never accusations. I'd love to hear your input on what the Emergent guys meant by "institutions" or what your vision for that would be.
I'm always up to help with regard to social justice issues man. Let me know what you're working on and I'll gladly post about the ongoing efforts. Have a good one, Shawn. Peace.
Joe, thanks for your comment. The individuals who are coming to the gathering -- both Jewish and Christian -- are congregational innvators, leaders in "out of the box" spiritual communities. The purpose of the meeting is to share experiences and to exchange ideas. "Building next-generation institutions" refers to current and future Jewish communities and Christian communities, not jointly-sponsored religious groups. Does that clarify things?
Absolutely does. Thanks.
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